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Guys, this is a short, quick post with some sad rumours: according to Hirac Delest, there's a chance the re-launch will be cancelled :(

We need to start sending messages (on twitter and fcebook at least) to Scholastic to show them there are a lot of fans interested in the re-release!

I created this facebook page. If anyone has more ideas, please share them!

Date: 2012-08-24 05:42 am (UTC)
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My first reaction was, "rarr screw you Scholastic, RELEASE THEM FOR THE GOOD OF MY FANDOM! And, you know, Applegrant's wallets." *sigh* Oh, well.

I only have #6, but I called Dymocks today and asked if they could order the rest in for me; I'm still waiting on their call.

Date: 2012-08-24 08:58 pm (UTC)
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I was curious to see how this relaunch would do to see if there was a chance of an Animorphs 2.0 series. However, assuming Scholastic won't invest into an Animorphs 2.0, what's to stop AppleGrant from doing a Kickstarter? I would 100% fund that.

Date: 2012-08-24 08:58 pm (UTC)
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would it be like, super heretic to say that I'm both not surprised and not incredibly disappointed?

I think this was an awesome experiment, and I'm glad it happened, but the more I think about it, the more I believe Animorphs was kind of a part of its time period. It emerged from the zeitgeist at that moment for a reason. It worked in the 90s, but I don't think it works in the 2010s.

Don't get me wrong, they're still great stories and I still love them with all of my heart but there's just something about them that doesn't sync up to this economic, political, technological climate. I mean, even very simply that there are fucking CAMERA PHONES now. That's a lot of disbelief to ask kids who've had those tools since they were babies to suspend. I think there are deeper sociological reasons it doesn't work too, but idk.

I bought the first couple of books, but I haven't bought them all, and not only because I'm perpetually broke. I don't know how they could have marketed or packaged them to make it work. I don't know if they could have. But, regardless, I think it's cool that they tried and though I'm disappointed we're not going to get Animorphs 2.0, that wasn't going to happen for a fucking decade at the rate they were rereleasing the books anyway, so meh.

Honestly, what would THAT even look like if it happened?

Date: 2012-08-24 11:35 pm (UTC)
blue_rampion: Arnold Rimmer in a gingham dress, with Mr Flibble, the evil penguin puppet (Mr Flibble)
From: [personal profile] blue_rampion
I'm not really surprised either - I've had the same thing happen to another children's book series that I adored, so even from the start I was prepared for this possibility. I am still disappointed though, because out of print books - any out of print books - make me sad. There's always the chance that there will be some people who might get into them still (however small a group that is), or who read them years ago and want to re discover the series. Animorphs at least does have a fair number of second-hand books floating around, as well as scans. The other series that stopped getting republished however is practically impossible to find - there are no scans on the web, and in order to re-read them me and a friend of mine had to go through elaborate processes of hunting them down in state libraries and sending extraordinarily low quality photos of them to each other in order to read them at all.

Course, sad at it is it still doesn't make republishing them at all viable. My hope though is that publishers will really start utilising ebooks - I would love to see out of print books becoming available in ebook format. And unlike with print books they could potentially always remain on sale.

I think with Animorphs, the best thing for it would probably be an adaption. I don't think the story itself at core is impossible to do in a modern setting, but it would require significant changes and you can only really do that by adapting. But since that any chance of that happening was probably dependent on the books suceeding...who knows if we'll ever see that.

Date: 2012-08-24 11:42 pm (UTC)
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I think ebooks are a solid compromise. I mean, I know nothing about the publishing industry but I have to assume that the majority of the costs have to do with raw materials, running the prints through the printing press, shipping, and then I'm sure there's some cost to getting shelf space at bookstores, if books work anything like beer does? I mean, the cost of editing them and making those anachronistic changes can't be too high. It would be great if they just accepted that interest isn't high enough to justify actual reprints but still went ahead with rereleasing the series on the Amazon Marketplace or something. Scholastic gets to convince a new generation of fledgling hardcore sci-fi nerds to buy their stuff, old Animorphs fans can still complete their collections without pirating, everyone wins.

And I don't know how expensive KA and Michael are now, or if they'd even be willing to write for a strictly digital audience, but that would at least somewhat keep the hope for some kind of Animorphs 2.0 aflame. I mean, if anyone is creative enough to deal with 15 years of technological progress while keeping the premise of the story plausible, it's them.

That said, an adaptation would probably be best at this point. The rate at which Hollywood is burning through old, outdated properties to make into movies is making me hopeful, at least. There's only so many more they can attempt before there's nothing left.

Date: 2012-08-25 12:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blue_rampion
I know that with print publishing, publishers need to be able to meet a certain level of sales in order to justify print runs - if I'm remembering correctly, it ends up being way more expensive to just do really little print runs. And with any sales product, things like production and distrubution and shelf space will always cost money. But ebooks are a different ball game. I don't really know how much it does cost to make an ebook though, but once it's made it's not like you have to keep justifying a certain level of sales in order to keep it available.

I think I vaguely remember them saying something that suggested they were interested in digital publishing? Not necessarily on it's own, but like releasing ebooks as well as print books. And they have been supportive of fans passing around pdfs of the books while the series wasn't in print, so who knows? Although a tricky thing there might be the rights - I get the impression that it's Scholastic rather than Grapplegate that hold the rights to Animorphs? So they might not actually have the option of writing a sequel on their own.

I'm still hoping for an animated cartoon, but I'd definitely take a movie. We can probably only hope that somewhere, somehow, a producer might decide to make this into a thing.

Date: 2012-08-27 05:33 am (UTC)
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The have released the rereleases as ebooks in addition to the paperbacks.

I recall reading from Grapplegate that Scholastic holds all the keys to Animorphs and they didn't have a whole lot to do with the rereleases. (I'm assuming they had some input, but they just have no say about when or if it happens.)
It's a shame because I know a lot of authors of traditionally published out of print books have started to self-publish them so they can be back in print, but I'm assuming that these authors had some sort of contract with their publishers that allows them to gain the copyrights of their books back. I'm guessing Scholastic is a whole other ball game with all the ghost writing and input they have.

Date: 2012-08-27 08:20 am (UTC)
blue_rampion: A blue rose in the rain (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_rampion
Yes, but they'd only be of the ones currently re-released, right? Not the entire series. It's better than nothing, but not really much help to anyone trying to get their hands on later books.

I thought that was the case. Especially with Scolastic being the ones to get things ike the tv show going. I hadn't heard about authors self-publishing ebooks themselves though, and that's awesome to hear! (Maybe I should try to convince Emily Rodda to do that with the out-of-print series I'm pining over! Well,if I could ever figure out how to do that, that is.)

I'm not quite sure how much sway ghost writers would have in terms of rights. I get the feeling it's all with Scolastic. Although with other authors, I imagine their must be like some kind of time period where it reverts back to them? It'd be weird if it stayed with publishers forever.

Date: 2012-08-27 02:17 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately, yes. I was more pointing out that they were actually following through on their interest in digital publishing.

Yeah, I'm just not sure how it works when you write for Scholastic at all. It sounds like they have a lot more creative control when it comes to their series' then other publishers and thus they seem to retain the rights forever (so it seems).
Animorphs are still being read by the younger generation (even if they are out of print) so I can understand they want to try to hold onto the rights - from a business stand point, it just kind of sucks for the fans and Grapplegate because I know we all want the same thing.

I can't find any of the links anymore. I think the authors that are self publishing their books call themselves "back books" or something. They do actually encourage fans to seek out writers they like who are out of print to direct them to their little group (They self publish through smashwords, I think) so that more authors will do it.

Date: 2012-08-27 05:00 pm (UTC)
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That said, an adaptation would probably be best at this point. The rate at which Hollywood is burning through old, outdated properties to make into movies is making me hopeful, at least. There's only so many more they can attempt before there's nothing left.

I keep holding out hope for this. As much as I'll probably hate a movie - animated series, please, it's the best format for Animorphs! - I feel like it's kind of inevitable with Hollywood re-making everything these days.

Date: 2012-08-25 06:29 am (UTC)
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I think there are deeper sociological reasons it doesn't work too, but idk.

True. The Animorphs world, at heart, was a fairly trusting place. (The kids break into the house of a major corporate leader at one point, and we don't see a huge overspill.) For all that the Animorphs were living a secretive and dangerous life, the climate was safe and gave them a lot of freedom. It worked for the 1990s, but nowadays, probably not so much.

Date: 2012-08-27 04:53 pm (UTC)
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That's a really good point. I think the story still speaks to kids but unfortunately... it also seriously strains credibility now.

Date: 2012-08-27 05:22 am (UTC)
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I do pretty much agree that they don't work as the updated rereleases that were planned. (Meaning the very minor updates, changing "CDs" to "music") But I do volunteer at my daughter's school library and plenty of kids still check out at read them regularly. The story still remains pretty relevant to those kids - which is how it should be.
---Given that the library even still has them is a good sign since I know libraries tend to get rid of the books that aren't getting checked out at all after a while.

Scholastic tried this previously with The Baby-Sitters' Club, including having the author write a brand new prequel to the series. I believe it only got as far as 6-8 books before it completely stopped. I think the Sweet Valley series also tried to do this and stopped early on as well.

I wish Scholastic could release a line of "Scholastic Classics" or something. Don't even worry about rewriting or retooling so all the books could remain in print. As someone else mentioned above, I really dislike ANY books being out of print.

That being said, this doesn't surprise me in the least. I am disappointed because I was enjoying owning (legal) copies of the ebooks, but I still have the original scans too. :( *sigh*

Edited Date: 2012-08-27 05:23 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-09-09 10:34 am (UTC)
ext_442164: Colourful balloons (Default)
From: [identity profile]
I mean, even very simply that there are fucking CAMERA PHONES now.
*nods* Oh, yeah, definitely. I was wondering how they were going to handle that. And The Sharing.

I think, also, the war with the Yeerks. Everything's so globalised now that the series' relatively small-scale invasion and Literary Agent Hypothesis might not carry over as well.
Okay, these kids are ten- to twelve-year-olds, but ones who've been overexposed to Facebook and the Internet in general, to TV and sex and daily news about terrorist attacks and wars and murder. Few things are local nowadays.
Then again, what adult kid hasn't wished they could be a superhero and save the world? The characters are still solid and relatable. The books are gory, but they're wry and funny and send all the right messages.
Edited Date: 2012-09-09 10:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-26 12:54 am (UTC)
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I was hoping to collect the entire series via re-release. :/ I'm only missing 4 books of the original series, though... so I guess I'll just track those down on Amazon.

Date: 2012-08-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I agree I was hoping to get a copy of the Andalite Chronicles. I guess I`m not that surprised that this is happening.But this might be a rumour we can hope that this is rumour.
Edited Date: 2012-08-26 04:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-27 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'll join the chorus of people saying: "Not surprised."

Aside from the issue of whether or not the series works in a modern context, even with the edits, I notice that Scholastic has been doing next to nothing to promote it. Eight books in and I'm still seeing people surprised that it is being re-released. Not a good sign. Fans and potential fans should know that by now, not have to figure it out through fan sites like this place, RAF and Hirac Delest. Is there even a social media presence? I can't find anything on the web site and that's really odd.

Honestly, I think the most coverage I saw for the re-releases was the controversy about whitewashing Marco. (Personally, I'm not exactly thrilled about Ax's new cover model, either.)

This may be a little harsh, but honestly, I get the feeling they just slapped together a site and decided that was good enough. How ironically 90s of Scholastic.
Edited Date: 2012-08-27 04:52 pm (UTC)


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